The question is, can one really "know" activism without being an activist himself.

admin Wrote:The question is, can one really "know" activism without being an activist himself.

No. How can you really attest the taste of a food if you haven't tasted it?

admin Wrote:And what is wrong with that? I think you just have a misunderstanding about activism

Oh I guess i've stated that wrongly, what i mean with "full-time activists" are those who always tries to get attention from the media. a.k.a. PAM-PAM

activism is worthless without intellect.

All intellectuals are activists; but not all activists are intellectuals.

the pseudo-activists doesn't do anything else but yell out and display on the streets. (i'm referring to as "full-time" activists). True, nothing wrong with that, it's their right to assembly and freedom of expression. However, they just annoy people when they block the highways/roads. Shouldn't they consider civilans? istorbo!

shopaulo Wrote:

admin Wrote:And what is wrong with that? I think you just have a misunderstanding about activism

Oh I guess i've stated that wrongly, what i mean with "full-time activists" are those who always tries to get attention from the media. a.k.a. PAM-PAM

activism is worthless without intellect.

All intellectuals are activists; but not all activists are intellectuals.

the pseudo-activists doesn't do anything else but yell out and display on the streets. (i'm referring to as "full-time" activists). True, nothing wrong with that, it's their right to assembly and freedom of expression. However, they just annoy people when they block the highways/roads. Shouldn't they consider civilans? istorbo!

so there are part time activists? hehehehehe...

Istorbo? When they yell out to the government to increase the pay, yeah istorbo because the workers will get an increase? When people group themselves to ask for Nang gloria's impeachment because she lied (non-arguable since she asked for forgiveness) that's what you call istorbo? Hahay, people are so inconsiderate that they tend to criticize yet they are the one reaping the fruits of the labor of the people yelling on the streets.

During our time, I think that was 1998, University of San Carlos is supposed to have sets of uniforms. But we "yell" in front of the school to trash the implementation of such because there were no proper consultation, whatsoever. But when, after I graduated, there were no people like us to do those things. You know what happened? They implemented the new set of uniforms, including male students.

government_sucks Wrote:so there are part time activists? hehehehehe...

It seems like you misconstrued, as i've stated, im referring to "those who doesn't do ANYTHING ELSE but yell. (i labelled them as full time activists).

Quote:Istorbo? When they yell out to the government to increase the pay, yeah istorbo because the workers will get an increase? When people group themselves to ask for Nang gloria's impeachment because she lied (non-arguable since she asked for forgiveness) that's what you call istorbo? Hahay, people are so inconsiderate that they tend to criticize yet they are the one reaping the fruits of the labor of the people yelling on the streets.

again, you are generalizing my specification. I didn't critisize the WHOLE body of activists. Only those (probably bystanders) who doesn't even have the time to work, but they do have all the time to yell out every single time they doesn't like anything.

Quote:During our time, I think that was 1998, University of San Carlos is supposed to have sets of uniforms. But we "yell" in front of the school to trash the implementation of such because there were no proper consultation, whatsoever. But when, after I graduated, there were no people like us to do those things. You know what happened? They implemented the new set of uniforms, including male students.

You can't always solve a problem with such uncivilized yelling. If the administration of your school implements a policy, most likely, it'll be for the improvement of the school.

uniforms aren't such a bad idea at all.

P.S. If just in case i hurted your point, I'll apologize. I have absolutely no problem with that.

shopaulo Wrote:

admin Wrote:And what is wrong with that? I think you just have a misunderstanding about activism

Oh I guess i've stated that wrongly, what i mean with "full-time activists" are those who always tries to get attention from the media. a.k.a. PAM-PAM

Those are not activists at all, they are pseudo-activists, or for-hire mobs.

Quote:activism is worthless without intellect.

All intellectuals are activists; but not all activists are intellectuals.

Very true. This is the first time I've read this thought, but I agree 100%.

Quote:the pseudo-activists doesn't do anything else but yell out and display on the streets. (i'm referring to as "full-time" activists). True, nothing wrong with that, it's their right to assembly and freedom of expression. However, they just annoy people when they block the highways/roads. Shouldn't they consider civilans? istorbo!

I'm still wondering why government_sucks has a problem with this statement. It is indeed true that this people are annoying other civilians who just want to get on with their lives.

In the national transport strike in late 2004 (or was it early 2005?), I had to argue with some activists kuno who tried to stop the driver of the PUJ I was riding in from continuing with his journey. I dare say that many of those who are shouting in the streets do not actually know what they are fighting about. And I know government_sucks would agree with me on that statement.

Quote:Those are not activists at all, they are pseudo-activists, or for-hire mobs.

Absolutely! What I am referring to as "full-time" are the pseudos. Because they are definitely istorbos.

Quote:I'm still wondering why government_sucks has a problem with this statement. It is indeed true that this people are annoying other civilians who just want to get on with their lives.

I have no idea aswell.

Quote:In the national transport strike in late 2004 (or was it early 2005?), I had to argue with some activists kuno who tried to stop the driver of the PUJ I was riding in from continuing with his journey. I dare say that many of those who are shouting in the streets do not actually know what they are fighting about.

The pseudo-activists are super conditional, when it comes to "fighting" for their views (e.g. if you don't join us, we will hinder your hanap-buhay, kailangan sumali ka sa amin, sa ayaw mo at sa gusto!) very very unintellectual, isnt it?

Quote:And I know government_sucks would agree with me on that statement.

I hope so, so that this may end the not so healthy discussions.

FYI, those people whom you called pseudo activists are people from the government. Wanna argue with that? My brother is an officer of the Intel service of one of the branches of the AFP. He is my best friend. I know some of his stories. The government sends people to sawsaw in order to make any public gathering be like hell. Those agents are the one doing what you are saying so that the blame would be laid down to the shoulders of the militant groups. If you only you know what are realities... that would be very conflicting to your personal observations.

stupid communists...

onyot69 Wrote:stupid communists...

ayayayay....